[Tickets #12720] Re: Mark sent-mail folders to show up in / hide from special folder container

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n***@bugs.horde.org

2013-09-30 10:21:34 UTC

With multiple identities, the sidebar container (dynamic IMP) gets
crunched with ,,Sent'' folders. Having four or more identities already starts
reducing the usability of the sidebar folder navigation quite a bit.
Especially if the folders are named equally (with different parent folders,
of course).
A solution to this is a new IMP::Pref parameter
('sent_mail_folder_is_special')
which allows the user to select if an identity's sent-mail folder is
supposed to
show up in the special folder container of the sidebar or not.

***@das-netzwerkteam.de (2013-09-30 10:21) uploaded:
0001-Mark-sent-mail-folders-to-show-up-in-hide-from-speci.patch

http://bugs.horde.org/h/services/download/?app=whups&actionID=download_file&file=0001-Mark-sent-mail-folders-to-show-up-in-hide-from-speci.patch&ticket=12720&fn=%2F0001-Mark-sent-mail-folders-to-show-up-in-hide-from-speci.patch

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n***@bugs.horde.org

2013-09-30 21:47:28 UTC

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Ticket URL: http://bugs.horde.org/ticket/12720
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Ticket | 12720
Updated By | Michael Slusarz <***@horde.org>
Summary | Mark sent-mail folders to show up in / hide from
| special folder container
Queue | IMP
Version | Git master
Type | Enhancement
State | New
Priority | 1. Low
Milestone |
Patch | 1
Owners |
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Michael Slusarz <***@horde.org> (2013-09-30 15:47) wrote:

Quite frankly, the number of people that have more than 2-3 identities
is extremely small. So adding an additional parameter just for this
few people is not a great idea.

A better solution would instead be to store all sent mailboxes in a
separate container. This method requires no configuration and works
for all setups.

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2013-10-01 08:12:07 UTC

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Ticket URL: http://bugs.horde.org/ticket/12720
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Ticket | 12720
Updated By | ***@das-netzwerkteam.de
Summary | Mark sent-mail folders to show up in / hide from
| special folder container
Queue | IMP
Version | Git master
Type | Enhancement
State | New
Priority | 1. Low
Milestone |
Patch | 1
Owners |
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***@das-netzwerkteam.de (2013-10-01 08:12) wrote:

Hi Michael,

I have been using Horde 3 for years now and want to migrate to Horde
5. The issue with the sent-mail folders is a usability blocker for me
atm.

Post by n***@bugs.horde.org
Quite frankly, the number of people that have more than 2-3
identities is extremely small. So adding an additional parameter
just for this few people is not a great idea.

The people around me (e.g. in my GnuPG keyring) have 3 UIDs /
identities or more. So that point is not taken.

Also frankly said, I could completely do without the special folder
container and just have all folders in one tree. The special folder
container takes up so much space (more than half of the sidebar with
all my sent-mail folders in it). The rest of the mailbox tree is
buried under it. So, for me another option would be to have the
special folder container removed completely (including the INBOX) and
have all those folders re-intregated into the mailbox tree (I have
already tested that). Though with a removal of the special folders
container, I would love to have custom icons for INBOX, sent-mail,
trash, templates, drafts.

Furthermore, I have other ,,important'' folders (mail filtered into
them by sieve) that I cannot add to the special folders container
(apart from using the config part in the backend, but that's not user
specific, but backend specific, so no option). However, this is
nothing that can be easily worked into the current special folder
implementation (IMHO).

The special container as of now is great for standard mailboxes, but
not very generically configurable. If I have a non-standard mail
account like mine (containing something like 500.000 mails from server
logs and mailing lists) its actually more in the way then of any help.

Post by n***@bugs.horde.org
A better solution would instead be to store all sent mailboxes in a
separate container. This method requires no configuration and works
for all setups.

But still, I would have eight sent-mail folders (all with the same
name shown, stripped off of their full paths / parent folder names)
dangling around. A combination of both (selectable sent-mail folders
and an extra container) would be cool ;-).

light+love,
Mike

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n***@bugs.horde.org

2013-10-15 05:39:30 UTC

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Post by n***@bugs.horde.org

The people around me (e.g. in my GnuPG keyring) have 3 UIDs /
identities or more. So that point is not taken.

The fact that you know what a GnuPG keyring is means that you are in
the 1% of users.

We have Horde/IMP installations that have *millions* of users. These
are "Gmail" type users - they want a simple e-mail client. Most of
them only have 1 identity. This would thus be adding a feature that
would potentially negatively affect the 99% of users while only
benefitting 1% of users.

That doesn't mean it can't be done. But that means you have to think
out the UI/UX before going forward so that those 99% of users AREN'T
affected just to give advanced functionality for a few.

Post by n***@bugs.horde.org
Also frankly said, I could completely do without the special folder
container and just have all folders in one tree. The special folder
container takes up so much space (more than half of the sidebar with
all my sent-mail folders in it).

At the beginning of the project, we had several usability experts give
us input on this. Their overwhelming recommendation is that those
special mailboxes are necessary for the 99%. Most people only use a
couple of mailboxes. These mailboxes tend to be the special
mailboxes. Thus, those special mailboxes need to be in view and
present at all times.

Post by n***@bugs.horde.org
The rest of the mailbox tree is buried under it.

For the record - I have something like 200 mailboxes. And I have
never thought there is inadequate space in the mailbox list.

Post by n***@bugs.horde.org
So, for me another option would be to have the special folder
container removed completely (including the INBOX) and have all
those folders re-intregated into the mailbox tree (I have already
tested that). Though with a removal of the special folders
container, I would love to have custom icons for INBOX, sent-mail,
trash, templates, drafts.

We would consider a patch for this. But it's going to take a bunch of
work to abstract this. Especially since the current code in
javascript is designed with the special mailboxes section in mind and
there is the Folder Actions menu that would need to be placed
somewhere (quite honestly, it doesn't make much sense to put at the
top of the list, above INBOX, so that's a question that needs to be
addressed before anything is done).

The custom icon data is already abstracted and completely independent
of the special mailbox location, so there's nothing to do there.

Post by n***@bugs.horde.org
Furthermore, I have other ,,important'' folders (mail filtered into
them by sieve) that I cannot add to the special folders container
(apart from using the config part in the backend, but that's not
user specific, but backend specific, so no option). However, this is
nothing that can be easily worked into the current special folder
implementation (IMHO).

This is exactly what the special_mboxes backends.php config option is
for. Granted, this is a config file only, as opposed to a
user-editable thing. But that is simply because nobody has taken the
time to write the UI for it. It neither interests me greatly, nor has
anyone funded the work, so that's why it doesn't exist.

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2013-12-18 06:30:40 UTC

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